Gatering info about retirement in Panama in practice.

Me and my wife decided to visit Panama and see if we can afford life here with a budget $1000-1500 a mo.
We've got Hotel in Downtown of Panama City not inclusive (better to understand everything) and rent a Car in Tocumen's AVIS!!! It was smallest KIA. We've been driving everywhere, even in Boquete and Portobelo.
We also drived to Chitre and noticed speed limit is varying often and as a result our car has been stopped by Police officer about 20 km before Chitre. My speed was 100 km and I tried to explain him "since I left road 1 to road 2 the last traffic sign I saw was 100km" on road 1.
It was about 20 min conversation with using fingers and some mimics he stated I owe him $100 and I did it to avoid much longer investigation. I didn't even suspected this payment just small portion of my future expenses. REFERENCE: I can drive my car safety because have good enough practice in my past as Yellow Cab Driver in Manhattan, NY for 4 years. (I didn't get any scratches).
Now I want to shrink my story.
Our plane was at Sunday night, but two days before (Friday) I parked my car in Punta Pacifica between another hundred of cars and trucks to make some pictures of Trump Hotel and others too. We came back to our car and couldn't find it. Car was towed to "secure" place. In about 2 hours I figure it out in nearby hotel they have Police Violation Ticket for me. Some people in hotel could speak English and helped me to find person with a car who speaks English and wanted to help me. For the end of Friday and entire Saturday we found my car and I saw it, but we couldn't take it back. Finally I came to Tocumen's AVIS and asked to help me do not miss my plane back to US. They say OK, but it will cost me about $300-350 additionally. I gave them key from car and ticket and left.
After coming to US I open my card account and found additional payment of $1108,18!!! (Beware of Avis!!!) This is my monthly budget in a future. And what my thought about.
Of course it's possible to move to Latinos country (all of'em the same with +/-), but better to remember:
Local people recognize immediately you are not local and they have special prizes for you for all services,
which is doubled or tripled of prizes for locals. If they see money in your hands the thinking this money belong not to you, because you are American and it is unfair to you to have it. Everybody knows money in US falling from the skies and Americans just catching it. That is the local peoples philosophy.
Sorry for some emotions, but I just came back and it is true.

You should protest the ridiculous charge with your credit card company.
It seems you were taken advantage of as many foreigners find happens to them when traveling.
I am sorry that you had such a terrible experience in Panama.

Steven Rich in Panama

Sorry for your.experience but it sounds like you have not traveled traveled abroad much before.
Having visited Panama many times before moving here 3 years ago I have never heard such bad luck story.
1500 per month will not get you much here sorry to say.

We also had a bad experience with Avis on our first visit here. I disputed it with my credit card and got most of it back. They were unresponsive with me, but the credit card company managed to wake them up. I'm sorry all this happened to you and I hope this hasn't soured you on Panama.
As for the police, they hit up the locals as well. $20 seems more realistic though. People everywhere will take advantage of opportunities. When you spend more time here you learn your way around and it's harder for people to pull this sort of nonsense on you.
Yes, you can live here on your budget. Whole families live on less. It will be hard (impossible?) in expensive areas though - Panama City, Boquete, Coronado, etc, mainly places with lots of expats. We have tracked our expenses in David, and are doing it again this month so check back later for that http://blog.thepanamaadventure.com/3-th … in-panama/

1500 won't cut it unless you are prepared to live like a pauper in a rural area.  Housing, transportation, utilities and an eventual desire for US type food and products will squeeze you. I would think Social Security for two working adults would exceed the budget you stated.  If your desire is to live by the sea in a warm climate I recommend rural southern Texas south of Galveston or a remote location on the Florida panhandle.

There is only one mandatory rental car coverage required in Panama and you can pay for it in advance in the U.S. I hAd good luck with Alamo. At the Airport counter they will insist you need more ignore them present your printout reservation with the daily-weekly rate they will release the car to you after you decline some Mickey Mouse coverages that if needed are not full coverages

El Cid wrote:

1500 won't cut it unless you are prepared to live like a pauper in a rural area.


The budgets put out by Kristc and also by others who track expenditures contradict your statement, so this all gets a bit confusing. I have to take your POV with a grain of salt for 2 reasons - first, many of us have managed to live happily with absolutely no processed North American-style poison foods for years; and for those of us not US residents, there is no desire to take on the burden of US residency and all the negatives that implies.

Tracking expenditures statistics is no way to live a life especially in retirement. Referring to food as poison and democracies as enslavement places you in an off the grid fringe entity, If Canada & the U.S.  has failed you in terms of career, quality of life and retirement security well how much is your own fault? I have lived and worked in the heart of darkness (Bangladesh & Haiti ) that is why I expected more value from Panama. I estimate 3K a month for a civilized lifestyle for a couple there.

El Cid wrote:

Tracking expenditures statistics is no way to live a life especially in retirement. Referring to food as poison and democracies as enslavement places you in an off the grid fringe entity, If Canada & the U.S.  has failed you in terms of career, quality of life and retirement security well how much is your own fault? I have lived and worked in the heart of darkness (Bangladesh & Haiti ) that is why I expected more value from Panama. I estimate 3K a month for a civilized lifestyle for a couple there.




5K or more per month for a couple in Panama City.  Boquete is perfect  for "off the grid" types.

El Cid wrote:

Tracking expenditures statistics is no way to live a life especially in retirement. Referring to food as poison and democracies as enslavement places you in an off the grid fringe entity, If Canada & the U.S.  has failed you in terms of career, quality of life and retirement security well how much is your own fault? I have lived and worked in the heart of darkness (Bangladesh & Haiti ) that is why I expected more value from Panama. I estimate 3K a month for a civilized lifestyle for a couple there.


Enslavement? U.S. failing me? Where do you get this stuff? And if restricting my diet to meat, eggs, veg, salad and fruit makes me "fringe", you and I have different notions of "civilized" lifestyle and we can leave it at that.You criticize "tracking expenditures" yet your POV is based on tracking expenditures.  So we have different notions of logic as well!

I particularly enjoy your philosophy that places the blame for poverty directly on the shoulders of the poor themselves. Hilarious.

Agree with the 5k estimate for Panama City

OK, so Canada has failed you and it's form of socialism apparently can't save its people from poverty. Don't wander to far off the 3rd world grid.

Do you practice being a jerk or does it come naturally to you?

No, just trying to rationalize your posts and determine why you would favor Panama over the rest of Central America. There are other locations for western world expat such as Granada- NIC, Antiqua and Lake Attilian -GUA, Jaco-CR  Roatan-HON  etc.

No you're not. You're just being gratuitously nasty for no apparent reason. Give it a rest. I'm not vulnerable to your attempted jabs at me or at Canada.

SunsetSteve wrote:

[first, many of us have managed to live happily with absolutely no processed North American-style poison foods for years; and for those of us not US residents, there is no desire to take on the burden of US residency and all the negatives that implies.


And the rest of us are not vulnerable to your attempted jabs at the U.S.

This thread is about affordability in Panama.

My jabs at the US? My only issues with the US: (1) as a Canadian I cannot obtain permission to reside for more than 6 months per annum. Therefore it is not a possible destination for me. (2) the cost of living is no better than home in Canada, so what would be the point? (3) Culturally the US hold no advantages over Canada, so there is no sense of change or adventure in residing there.

Sorry if the odd American expat finds that attitude offensive.  Not. The fact that the US is not a desirable move for a Canadian to make is no more or less offensive than the fact that an American might not find Canada to be a desirable place to relocate to. 

Instructive that my lack of enthusiasm for emigrating to the US prods El Cid into a retributive rage. Instructive that his unprovoked insults against Canada are less offensive than my neutral remarks. Think about it.

Steve, Steve, Steve..... Your the one who jumped in from the "Great White North" dissected my response to the New Yorker who requested individual opinions - I sure he was not seeking your critique of other responders!

The advice to consider coastal Texas or Florida was for the New Yorker on a modest budget - not you!  How did " Steve" become the bellicose center of this blog?

Well I guess I assumed the various posts were open for discussion, my mistake perhaps, just trying to participate. Despite that, if you truly believe my remark disputing your budget which disputed the budgets of thers . . .  warranted the insults you directed to me personally and to Canada, you are not someone I care to exchange views with. Reread your comments. Ask yourself if they are acceptable in a civilized discussion.