Dying in the DR - long post!

Not to sound morbid, especially this time of year, but it needs to be discussed.

First healthcare -  if you do not have insurance you better have money. That being said what happens when you get gravely ill here?

Sadly there is no understanding of  palliative care or hospice care.  As a mostly catholic country this is a new  and resisted idea.  Helping someone who is suffering is okay in theory but not really in practice. 

Be ready to advocate for your loved one if they are  terminal.  Be ready to explain the concepts and be ready to fight for them.

I recently had the honor of doing this for a  good friend. He was terminal with brain, lung and stomach cancers. He also had 2 strokes and more were expected.   Doctors wanted to “investigate” spend lots of money  on tests to determine where the cancer originated. I wondered, and asked,  WHY? For what reason do you need to understand this? The answer: to create a treatment plan.  Well again for what reason was my question. I asked  both specialists,  will he survive treatment? A resounding NO was the answer. So  I fought for them to stop doing these invasive tests.
At that point the insurance stopped paying. If you are not actively “treating” something then they wont pay!  Be ready to pay for palliative care.

My friend was  6'1” and had dropped to 105 pounds when I asked about treatment options!   Silly doctors really, he was not escaping this, it was discovered far too late.

Doctors tried to force a feeding tube. We were having NONE of that.
Doctors and hospital tried to discharge him. We were having NONE of that.
Doctors and hospital had NO idea what to do.

I explained and fought for humane treatment,  keep him comfortable and out of pain and assist him in  letting go.  His wife at this time was unable to communicate  with the doctors.  Her Spanish was very limited normally, made worse by all the stress!  I am grateful  I could help them both.

Eventually we got doctors to understand what is needed.  They helped keep him comfortable and he let go! He died on October  10th 2021.

Because of a previous experience, I have a pre planned funeral. I  encouraged my friends to do the same.  We had  arranged and paid for everything.   
Details:  via Blandino  which has  offices and alliances all over the country we followed my friends wishes, he wanted to be cremated.  Cost for everything was  RD 80,200,  or about US $1,435 at the time we purchased.  You can reach Blandino at 1-829-872-7481. There are other companies  as well,  I found this one to be very professional!

One phone call was all we made, arrangements were set in motion.  Within 2 hours  transportation  arrived and paperwork was completed.  As  foreigners normally an autopsy must be completed,  then the  final arrangements can be followed.  Within  4 weeks we got the call that his  remains were ready for us to retrieve.  They are presented in a beautiful wooden box and  velvet bag. This is slower than normal due to the pandemic.

We received the  death certificate etc shortly after.  All notifications are automatically done to the embassy and Dominican governments.  I encourage everyone to make arrangements if you live here full time.

Wills -   if you live here, have  property here and or bank accounts here I  encourage you to get a will HERE.  Your will  from somewhere else MAY OR MAY NOT be valid here. AND if it is valid here there is a long expensive process to make it so! 

It is easier and less expensive to handle your affairs here!   The laws are very very different here!   The law is territorial so anything you have here is covered by Dominican law. That law determines how you must leave things. And if you want to get around and of this, there are ways but you need to organize this now. Dying without a will here leaves a big mess.  Things here are complicated normally,  leaving this undone is a huge burden to those left behind.

Lishali Baez  has been recommended on  this  platform many times for immigration   and residency. She is also highly knowledgeable in this area. I encourage you to reach out to her  if you need help.  1-809-860-1231 or [email protected]

As a business person here, I am now looking to the future to open hospice/palliative type care facilities. It will take some time to do so, but it is sorely needed here. 

The intent of this thread is to help people plan, to make them aware of what can happen, create dialogue.  If you need any other info feel free to message me or reach out to the  people mentioned!

To my knowledge, Blandino is the only cremation facility in the country.

Having a DNR statement might be a good idea - Do Not Resuscitate.

My mother had one.... it saves what Planner is talking about (in Canada it did)

Yes here you can request a DNR as well!  Also a good idea.   We had one for my friend.

The other  option of course is not cremation but burial. I do not have pricing on that as there are too many options and variables.

Of course many expats may want their remains sent to their  country of birth and that is a whole other process. Its is  expensive, in the thousands of dollars and much more complicated.

I am told in the campo where I live, that to get buried costs about 7000 pesos. The cost of any mausoluem is extra. Typical mausoleum in the campo is a concrete block box but can get fancy.

Thanks planner for opening this thread. Useful.

Not for an expat its not!   You dont just get buried like a local!

I am definitely going to investigate more now. I do not want to leave my wife with a problem. I have no plans to get my remains or ashes sent back home. Buried here was my idea but being a foreigner adds complications. Does this affect foreigners who become citizens?

Lennox I am not sure about  if you become a citizen.   As a foreigner the rules are totally different.

Yes - a very good topic that I also will highlight and look into. Thank you....

My wife & I have had this death discussion.
Not so long ago we bounced between 3 countries.

We agreed - where we die is where we stay.
Home is where we are today.

We even have identified the exact spots in those countries...
We're down to 2 countries now.... no difference really

Wife thought I was a bit morbid mentioning this earlier.

I am quite relaxed about my odds on living decreasing as time passes but need to plan a bit better being here in DR, I really appreciate this thread.

I have rejuvinated a bit this week spending a few days on my old patch at Coson at the Wyndham. Love the beach here and have walked the 13km a few times in full and in part many times. The backdrop of the Coson hills is one of the best views in DR imo. It reignites the fire!

The thread is a good one. I will point out the everyone's experience at such sad times will be different. And keep in mind that because of Dominican inheritance laws, it is practically impossible to write any children out of a will if they are under Dominican law.

Agreed on both points. Everyone will have a different experience and a different response.

And its almost impossible to write out  children from a will, regardless of age or where they live!

Just put me in a Hefty bag and leave me at the curb. ☹️

and that is not an option.

Great info we won't need in 2022, cause we'll all hang in there at least one more happy new year🍾cheers everyone🥳

I like what Planner has to say. She knows what she's talking about.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but what a true friend you are. We should only be so lucky to have someone as kind as you.

Your idea regarding palliative type care is ideal! I will be looking for someone to help care for my 86 year old mother in law who has alzheimers. Hoping for someone who speaks a little English as our Spanish is not nearly where it should be. So many thing to do and find and not knowing where to begin.

Hugs
Sharon