#1 2009-10-22 03:40:22
- pcg
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This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
I have what I think is a pretty reasonable situation. I want to move to England with my family for "a while". (I'm thinking 3-6 months to start.)
I'm self-employed and plan to work for my US-based business. My wife and I are capable and willing to home school my two older kids, aged 15 and 11. I already pay for private health insurance in the US, and believe I would need to do the same in England. I rent in the US, and would be more than capable of finding and renting a furnished place in England (I think!).
As I understand it, I could even stay for up to six months at a time on my tourist visa. Having lived abroad (Chile and Costa Rica) in the past, my understanding is that I could potentially just leave the country and return to renew my visa for another six months. Granted, I probably couldn't own a house or open a UK bank account or anything like that, but I'm not sure I'd need to.
So here's where I get confused: is it REALLY just as easy as all that? I can just buy my tickets, hop a plane, find a place to rent, and be cool? Or am I missing something critical?
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#2 2009-10-22 05:10:01
- sourire
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
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I've lived in England but I'm a European citizen even though I live in Canada so probably can't really help with advice.
However, you really should consult the British Embassy. They will tell you exactly what you can and can't do. They are very helpful.
Rental apartments, I have found in England, are dirty. The kitchens have tiny fridges like we use for beer only they use them for everything. I found what I thought was a micro wave oven and then the landlord told me it was a regular oven. When I asked how I would get a turkey into it at Christmas, he said, I couldn't. The toilet seat in the bathroom was so bad, I had to, immediately, go out and buy a new one. I left the windows open for days to get the body smell out. Then I discovered from an Interior Designer that if I put saucers of white vinegar around the place, that would get rid of the smell. This apartment was in a good middle class area. It's just that rentals are bad unless you are fairly rich.
There is a lot of crime. You have to be careful. It's better not to reprimand anyone doing things that upset you when out, or they will probably do something to you.
A nice place to live might be Royal Tunbridge Wells in Kent. The surrounding countryside is full of old English pubs and stately homes to visit. I lived there for a while and liked it. However, things seem to close down in the evenings as the streets empty. However, the pubs are usually full every night. You could join a darts team and meet the guys. There's a commuter train to London, takes about half an hour or so but usually full in the mornings and you'd have to stand; same coming home after work.
Driving to London; you are not allowed to park in London. I don't know if they have got parking lots yet but when I was there, not so long ago, we had to leave the car outside London and take public transport. London is very crowded and very expensive.
Oxford; a popular place because of the university, has no parking anywhere and is chock a block full of traffic; a very crowded town.
Stratford, another popular place is crowded with tourists and fake antique shops.
Cambridge; not much there.
Sorry, England used to be special but a very long time ago.
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#3 2009-10-22 10:03:44
- vegemitevix
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
The problem is that you will be working here illegally! You would need to obtain a work permit to be able to work in the UK and if you do not you could be deported and unable to return to the UK for up to ten years. What's more other countries could potentially view your immigration history with suspicion and may not allow you entry! Is it really worth the risk?
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#4 2009-10-22 10:12:10
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
I should add that its taken me over a year to finalise my work permit/residence visa and I'm from an 'easy' immigration country, New Zealand.The whole process has been extremely expensive and although I now finally have the right papers etc and can get work (I'm also self-employed)it will take some time to actually recover my financial position. I've started writing a blog about some of my experiences as a new immigrant in England read more here www.usebefore.blogspot.com
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#5 2009-10-22 15:50:55
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
Thanks for the comments so far. I'm certainly not interested in being somewhere illegally, which is why the suggestion to contact the embassy is so valuable. (Trust me, I know about illegal immigration: I'm from southern California. :-)
So what if I live there on a six-month tourist visa and happen to run my US business while I'm there? I recognize that's something less than expatriation, so this might not be the right forum. But it seems like that would be what I was originally describing (i.e., just pick up and go). And that seems to be a little more within the guidelines for living and working in (or from) the UK, right?
And is it considered working IN the UK when I'm not working for a UK business?
Thanks again!
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#6 2009-10-22 18:37:42
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You really must talk to the Embassy people. They are the only ones who can answer your questions and look after you. It's not worth the risk in view of the terrorist problems being faced in England due to it's resident Muslims. England is now very suspicious of newcomers no matter whom.
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#7 2009-10-22 19:16:24
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
Hi,my experience with this is that there are tax implications, and working permit problems. I was hoping to continue my business domiciled in NZ (a writing business I could work at online) however I was advised that not only would I be breaching my visitor status but that I could potentially be taxed in both UK and NZ AND (its a big one) the UK could see it as a tax-rort. They are very very sensitive to folk trading through shelf companies here and in effect they might see your way of working as falling into that category.
Though if you do manage to get it sorted, Hampshire/Berkshire are nice areas of the country and near enough to dip your toes in the chaos of the big smoke (London) easily! :-)
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#8 2009-10-22 22:16:20
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
Good point, Vegemitevix!
Thank goodness I'm an English citizen. I'd no idea it could be so complicated if I wasn't.
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#9 2009-11-14 21:49:19
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
I would also recommend the embassy. I'm an American in Austria looking at a move to the UK. Immigration is not a simple task anywhere to the EU anymore. In theory, the UK allows Americans to stay as a tourist for up to 6 months. However, you will be grilled about your activities upon entry. You may (probably will) have to show proof of sufficient funds for the duration of the trip for you and your family, proof of lodging for the duration and also a confirmed exit. That means you'll have to buy tickets out of the country at a certain date. I have to say that if you hold a round-trip ticket for you and your family 6 months down the line, it will look suspicious (i.e. no income/work). It's not an impossible task, but it will require a bit more than "pick up and go." I'm not a lawyer or immigration specialist, so I'd suggest you seek profession resources, but I'd be more than willing to throw some advice your way if you want!
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#10 2009-11-15 17:34:05
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Re: This should be easy, but it's turning out to be confusing
Hi,
There are the points to consider before moving to England:
1. You can't just pick up and go. You have a family you're responsible for. You need to prepare.
2. Sort out your and your family visas before coming over here.
Getting a work permit in the UK is as difficult for an American as it is for a British or other EU citizen in the States. It just takes time.
3. Check out schools. Consider moving here NOT in the middle of a school year.
4. Find a flat or house.
Before coming here you need to have something temporary rented. You can easily do it over the Internet. You may need to pay month's rent and deposit in advance. Then, while you're here you can look around and find something really nice and suitable for you. The minimum stay is normally 6 months.
Standard of the place depends on how much you're willing to pay. Trust me, there are beautiful, clean houses with large kitchen and garden over here.
5. If you work for a American company registered for trading in England you'll be registered for taxes and other here, in the UK. Therefore you need to have a work permit for the UK. (Unless you're planning to do some online work where all your income comes to your American account).
6. Safety - as everywhere else, there are pickpockets, knife crimes, robberies. From my own experience from London, me and my friends have never been injured or raped. But it's happened to some of us to have a wallet stolen, a bike or a laptop. Also, if you're drank and behave aggressively in the middle of the night you can get beaten.
You decide which country is threatened more with terrorist attacks, the States or UK.
7. Parking in London - you're allowed. In designed areas, and you pay for it. The fact is that Central London is very crowded and sometimes it's just better to get a taxi or public transport. If you don't have a garage with your house, you apply to a council for parking permit so you can park your car on the street in front of your house.
London is amazing place to live. Prepare, come and enjoy!
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