Is it good idea to give up Australian PR for a promising job?

empty · 2011-05-13 19:12:58

Hi all,

I was granted Australian PR two years ago but have not made a move to Australia given the great job in a MNC in Nepal.

It's not that I do not value Australian PR that gives wonderful opportunity for quality life and good environment for upbringing my kid. Little bit of research made me clear that Australian job market is too very fussy about local experience and having to struggle life from scratch in Australia puts me off. I feel more so given the fact that I am holding comfortable position with lucrative pay in my home country that is the result of long career development in this region.

I am married with a kid and in my thirties if that matters.

Any thoughts, inputs and answers are welcome. Thank you in advance.

BobinOz · 2011-05-17 16:58:28

Only you can make that call, but if it was me I think I would need to give it a go.

Australia is indeed a fantastic country, I've been living here for 3 1/2 years and me and my family love it. The thing is, one day that offer of PR will expire, you need to come here to validate it. And then if you stay long enough, you would qualify for Australian citizenship and then you could come and go as you please.

Ask yourself this, if you came to Australia and didn't like it so decided to return to where you live now, do you think you would secure another good job again? If your answer is probably yes, then you should probably at least try Australia. Otherwise, one day, you might just regret it.

jb09 · 2011-05-18 01:33:37

Hi empty,

I would agree with BobinOZ that this difficult decision would have to be made by you. But I know personally that it is a difficult decision especially if where you are currently are located, you are financially stable. What would be your reason moving to a country where you don't have a job lined up when you arrive since a requirement of local experience for Australian companies that you've communicated with?

What you stated about the negative aspects for you and your family to move to Australia at this time is very true for many immigrants. But many immigrants with perserverance to overcome obstacles,etc. have been able to reside in the new country and be financially stable. For some it can take awhile. Maybe the one trait with some of the immigrants is that they want a better life for themselves or family. They are coming from a place that even though they had the education and professional job, the salary was just not enough to survive or save for the future. Or they are leaving a country that they feel is becoming too dangerous,etc. It seems in your situation, you do not necessarily need to leave your current location.

So the question you should be asking to yourself is, at the current state of the country you are residing now, will your child have the same opportunity as you? It would be difficult for you at this time to know what your child will end up doing when he/she grows up. But in many countries, the occupation that is chosen has to be a specific profession in order to get a lucrative paying job... example : doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer,etc.. However, even if the person ends up doing any of these professions in addition to others, it doesn't matter when in their country there might not be enough jobs for everyone. Or basically the salary doesn't pay enough. This is why many people try to go abroad to find jobs that have better pay.

If your current job and its pay is very lucrative as you say.. and you want to still move to Australia. My suggestion would be .. only quit your current job until you can find a replacement job in Australia that has equal pay or more. If it's going to be less, be prepared to have a change in lifestyle because you are no longer getting the same pay. In addition, the cost of living in Australia is higher than in most countries.

For you to be financially stable where you are currently located, you have to be realistic that you will need a job once you move to Australia. If the jobs that you are interested in working for that is related to your current occupation is not working out... and you are not willing to do any other type of job, then it's probably not a good idea for you and your family to move. I know of many immigrants that have moved to the US as professionals and end up doing jobs they never thought they would do. Sort of lowering their standards and a shot to their ego. However, they did it to support their families. The parents made the sacrifices to provide better opportunities for their children.

You didn't mention in your post, but I'm assuming you and your family did visit Australia to validate your visas? It states on the visa the date you are required to do this.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but you can renew your PR visa after it expires. However, there are requirements that you must meet before you can apply. I think for your case, you must stay at least 2 of the last 5 years as a permanent resident in Australia to qualify. Technically, your visa can expire without you having to renew it while you reside in Australia. It's just that you may not be able to return to Australia if you leave the country without a valid Australian visa. You can choose the other options of providing an explanation of why you have not been in Australia. But I think you will have to have a very good reason for being outside of the Australia for so long.

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/residen … bility.htm

empty · 2011-05-18 05:55:01

Thanks Bob, thanks jb09 for your perspectives.

I got the PR two years back in May 2009 and yes, I already met the condition of entry requirement by visiting Australia soon after I was granted PR!

Tong · 2012-05-01 10:26:41

Hi Empty,

I just saw your posts and note that your case is so much similar to me. I and family (wife and two kids) were granted Australian PR visa in 2010 and we have already validated the visa.

Back home in Vietnam where business is growing fast, I have worked with a MNC for almost 15 years and now I am in the top job in the company. My wife and I received very good pay and benefits which I have no doubt that when I move to Australia, I have to down grade my standard of living. I love my current work and great family life status. I think if I can work in my home country for the next 8-9 years, I and my wife can retire and move to live in Australia. But, unfortunately, visa does not allow us to stay until then.

The negative things in Vietnam are that the education will not be great, even though my kids are attending international school. I understand that if my kids live and grow up in Vietnam, they won't have good opportunity like me and they also have less opportunity for career outside Vietnam. Other issue is the health care system. Although there are international hospitals opening here, the quality of services are not yet at international standard. I used to have an experience to evacuate my kids on air ambulance to Singapore and it was not really easy. Other issue which may not be a key issue is the political stability.

I am thinking whether I should give up my job first and move to Australia for 4 years to get Australia citizenship and then return back to Vietnam for a 5-10 years and then move permanently to Australia. If this is an option, I am afraid that I would not be able to get a good job as what I have now when I return back in the next 4 years, especially if I could not get a good job in Australia. In a developing country, there are not many good opportunities and they will not wait for us if we give up.

Given our cases are quite similar and if you have already moved to Australia, I would appreciate it if you should share your experience.

BobinOZ, I saw your blog and it is really great and helpful. Many thanks if you could share your comments in my circumstance.

empty · 2012-05-01 15:43:02

Hi Tong,

Indeed our situations are very much similar. I have not yet made a move but with only two years of visa left, I have come to a point whether to use PR or leave it.

I am tentatively thinking to take a plunge either in coming August or next year. I am thinking if to take extended leave from office to try job market in Australia. However, I am skeptical if even 1-2 months is sufficient enough to secure a job. Some of the friends known to me have taken 6-12 months in getting a first job. So, if I take leave of 1-2 months, try job in Australia and if I do not get a job within that period may not mean that I will not able to get job in Australia.

So big question is whether I really want to move to Australia giving up the lucrative and high profile job. In either case, I need to give up one thing for another. It is as if whether I want to move to Australia or continue doing the present job.

Whatever decision I take, what I really believe is that it may take a time in getting first job, however, eventually I will be where I should be. It is just a downgrading lifestyle or career for sometime.

Negative thing I can think of Australia is that it is damn expensive country. In my country, I save half of my income after leading comfortable life. However, in Australia, most of my income will be spent - after all, I expect to earn just 50% to 60% of the exiting earning in entry level job in my profession in Australia.

I sometimes think Australia as too laid back country and isolated from rest of the world. For instance, I travel around the world for attending industry conferences where I have not seen participants from Australia.

So, I am still thinking and thinking, though I have just 2 years to decide at the latest though it is better to move when 2 years is still remain. However, I have found that there should not be a problem in getting RRV once you really move to Australia even though you move on the last date of your PR, as RRV up to 1 year is granted once you are in Australia once we can produce rental agreement, job contract, enrollment of kids at school etc. In case, RRV is not granted, we need to stay back in Australia at least for 2 years!!!

Having an option is tough sometimes.....

Last edited by empty (2012-05-01 15:45:07)

Tong · 2012-05-01 17:14:21

Hi Empty,

Thank you for sharing your thought. We are in the same situation.

I just came back from my second visit to Australia to further explore Melbourne and Sydney. Yes, the costs of living in Australia is very expensive.

I still have 4 years more to decide. The whole motive to migrate to Australia is not for myself, but for my children. I don't want to limit their future opportunity. Having Australian citizen at our generation will entitle the children and next generations to become Australian. Giving up the present job for 4 years could be seen as temporary. But, it will have an impact on our career too even if we decide to come back.

One to two months is not long enough to get an office job in Australia. Immigrants from developing countries should expect at least from six months to one year, I would not expect to save much although I can get an office work in OZ with annual package of 60k-70k. Unlike in Vietnam, I can save almost all income as the company paid almost every things for the expenses.

RRV could be a temporary option. Based on my understanding, there are two type of RRVs i.e. 3 month or 5 year RRV. The 3 month RRV is quite easy to get it as long as we move to OZ, rent a house, enroll the kids'school etc. But, the 3 month RRV is too short to do anything. The 5 year RRV is difficult to obtain if we don't stay in OZ for 2 years out of 5 years. It is possible to try to prove to DIAC that we have economic and personal ties to Australia. However, it is quite difficult to prove this.

I think another option is to have my wife and kids to move to OZ first before expiry of the visa. Once they are in Australia for 2 years, they can apply for 5 year RRV. When my wife can get 5 year RRV, I can also apply for 5 year RRV. Then, I have an option whether my family should move back or stay until they can apply for OZ citizenship. For this option, I will live separately from family for at least 2 years. Of course, I can still visit them regularly.

In summary, it is a very difficult decision whether we should sacrify for children.

empty · 2012-05-02 18:37:57

My studies also show that people from developing countries take about 6-12 months in securing a job pertained to their area. I always wonder why? Do people really develop themselves during first 6-12 months so as to be ready for the job? If not, why this magic number 6-12 month, which can be damn too long without job in hand to survive in Australia!

When I applied, I had the plan to move to Australia soon after getting PR. Just before getting PR, I got very good job opportunity and on the top of that there was GFC, so that was good excuse to defer the plan then. During this time, my mind constantly fluctuated between moving to Australia one day to settling in home country, hence I could not make decision or should I stay I decided to buy more time to stay back in my country.

Three years of analysis has left with me only 2 years to make a decision. More I defer, I know for sure, more difficult it is going to be to decide to move. At one point of time, I too considered sending my spouse and kid to Australia but I finally thought that is not the way I would like to live life. I doubt if I can get RRV if my spouse spends 2 out of 5 years. I guess, in that case, I need to apply for dependent visa, that involves lots of paper works, restrictions etc.

So, given my situation, it is likely that I may regard PR as just a back up plan in case...... I may accept job in Australia with a step back in position and pay, but even for that, if it takes 6-12 months, I would really question the move.

I may regret later for not having moved but at the same time I wonder if I would regret having given up lucrative job for the sake of PR. So dilemma continuous.....

Tong · 2012-05-03 18:30:56

It is that same that the more I delay, the more difficult to decide as I will make more and more money in the home country.

Sending spouse and kids to Australia first is the only good option to buy more time before moving. The spouse will be able to get 5 year RRV easily if they stay 2 out of 5 years. If I choose this way, as a husband of a 5-year RRV holder, I can apply for the same RRV without any difficult. The only thing I need to do is to prove that she is my spouse (by showing the marriage certificate) and she has a 5-year RRV. It states quite clear in DIAC's website.

It is really hard to predict which option is best. But, my feeling is that I should move to Australia to get the citizenship for the whole family first and then return back. As you said, I may regret if I don't move and this is the only chance that I have to decide. For career, there are still chance to restart again although it may not be as great as if I continue the current job. I have thought all the cases that may happen in our home country. Political system is not stable as in Australia, health, education etc. The important thing is health care system. If we have health problem, let say at age 45-50 YO and need long term health care, it will be very difficult for us in our home country.

I have a friend who has migrated to Australia and gave up his lucrative job. He spent 1 and half year to get a permanent work in his area. Net income is not that great as in home country, but he said that he has no regret for his decision to move and he has no plan to return back to the home country.

For me, it is about 60% chance that I will migrate to get AU citizenship first and see if there is similar opportunity in Australia after obtaining citizenship. If not, I may return back to my home country to restart my career. Frankly, it is very difficult to move back if my family is settled down there and kids enjoy their school.

empty · 2012-05-11 19:33:27

Thanks for sharing your thought process.

I would like to move to Australia within a year time from now. Reason being I had not been that decisive in moving to Australia, I happened to invest in real estate in my home country and hence my liquidity situation at the moment is not that great. In a year time, I expect to have comfortable liquidity position to move to Australia.

However, by then I will have only a year of my PR left. Within the validity of the PR, there should not be problem, however, after PR is expired but before completing two years of stay in Australia, if I need to go out of Australia, there may be problem in getting into Australia. However, with a year of stay in Australia, I will have enough attachment to be shown to immigration - say, job, rental, enrollment of kid to school etc and hence getting RRV for 1-3 months should not be a problem.

laith.abdallat · 2012-05-22 21:57:22

I'm a computer engineer living in Jordan, I'm planning to emigrate to Australia (Skilled Visa), but there are some hard procedures such as IELTS (7) in each band, Bank statement and a state sponsorship. I know these assessments vary from country to another but are there any other way to get there and work in anything, even if it is apart of my field,meanwhile I can proceed my immigration process. then I can provide my IELTS score according to experience.
I need your advises urgently, however a new polices will be applied in first of July 2012 and immigration will be only by invitation, so it become harder.

Tong · 2012-05-24 16:31:13

You can refer to the link below for detailed point test system

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general- … bility.htm

It is a lot more difficult to apply for the PR visa now.

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