ORFI MARRIAGE - SPECIALIST ADVICE NEEDED

Hi Eline

I m sorry to hear that from u & if I understand u right so that u need to get divorce or settle this situation between u two legally . But I want to clarify that's the orfi marriage it is not recognized from the authorities in the two sides ( Egypt – UK ) & the only one that registered & recognized is the marriage( between foreigners & Egyptians )  that confirmed from the  egyptian ministry of justice after official process & required documents from the two parts .

So all what ur husband can to do that he goes to the family court here in Egypt and confirm this marriage & it is will be recognized in Egypt only .

For u … u have many ways to settle this situation
1- hire an egyptian  lawyer with attorney of power  to contact with ur husband here in Egypt to solve this situation friendly … get the divorce for … take all the papers from him … etc

2- If ur husband refuse the friendly solutions so the ur lawyer had to go to the family court to …. Firstly … confirm this orfi marriage and make ur husband to admit that he has the all copies of the marriage contract & if he denied that is he know u or u  are not his wife … that is fine to … cause that will mean u are not his wife by his words  … and he will go to jail if he try to use this copy in the future for perjury .

-    after confirm the marriage by the court , then u can demand the divorce in another   lawsuit .

3- the last way is …. Forget it … wait & see … what is come in the future .

Anyway … if u need a good lawyer .. I can help u …. Inbox me if u interested .

Wish u luck the next time & always .

@ al rowaad:

al rowaad wrote:

u need to get divorce or settle this situation between u two legally . But I want to clarify that's the orfi marriage it is not recognized from the authorities in the two sides

Since "orfi marriage it is not recognized from the authorities... " ... seems to me, there is no need to " ... settle this situation between u two legally.. "

al rowaad wrote:

So all what ur husband can to do that he goes to the family court here in Egypt and confirm this marriage & it is will be recognized in Egypt only .

If it is so, .. will this also mean the (dubious) husband owes his wife an apartment all her other "Rights" under Egyptian Law and (again dubious) culture? To my mind, he has more reasons NOT to register the marriage.

al rowaad wrote:

3- the last way is …. Forget it … wait & see … what is come in the future .
...

I'd also support this 3rd option. An Orfi marriage has no legal validity - in both Egypt and the UK ie. scumbag may threaten action - yet, the case has no legal spine.

@ Elaine
Re; Hiring lawyers .. please keep your antennas finely tuned to the 'Very Very Alert" level .. The legal profession (everywhere) is a mind-game - they psycho-analyze your state-of-mind .. say things you want to hear ... and add the spice of ambiguity - to scare you into hiring them. (Your posts provide sufficient info into your state of mind - for a parasitic lawyer to leverage.)

Unless somebody provides a very specific Law/ Year number --- rest assured, you have no legal obligation to this person - as per laws in the country of your citizenship .. and, as per laws in the country of his citizenship.

Focus on healing! ..

Many thanks - I am just going to tell him I don't want to be his wife anymore. He cant really do anything about it because he dare not go to the authorities (he didn't finish his military service so would get found out).
Best regards and thank you again
Elaine

Thank you. Very much. For alleviating my worries. And thank you also for alerting me to the practices and ploys of lawyers. My God, I didn't realise that even the lawyers couldn't be trusted to be straight with potential clients. That's quite depressing 

Best, Elaine

ElaineCrawley wrote:

... I didn't realise that even the lawyers couldn't be trusted to be straight with potential clients. That's quite depressing 

Best, Elaine

Perhaps you will realize that most politicians are also lawyers .. its a sick world.

Orfi marriages have absolutely no legal effect, not even in Egypt. So, there is no reason whatsoever you would even need to petition for divorce, since there is no marriage to "disolve" judicially either in Egypt or in the United Kingdom.

Your marriage was done by means of a private contract signed and witnessed by at least 2 people. The contract itself has NO LEGAL WEIGHT even in Egypt.

If you want nothing further to do with your so-called Egyptian husband then you should simply tell him so and be done with it. You are SINGLE in the eyes of the law, unless of course you were previously married and subsequently divorced, in which case one never goes back to being "single" their marital status will remain as DIVORCED until such time as they re-marry. Actually, even following a divorce if one's ex-spouse dies the remaining ex-spouse doesn't even become a widow or widower, since that status is reserved only for someone whose spouse has died during the existing marriage.

You can get married anywhere on God's Green Earth right now if you choose to do so, since in the eyes of the law you have never married. You have lived in a strictly Common-Law cohabitation relationship which IS NOT marriage.

Phone the jerk, tell him you're done with him, or better still send him an SMS to that effect if he has a cellular phone, that will humiliate him to no end. Then go about living your own life as if you had never met the guy!

You might find the following link interesting:

http://orfi-wives-egypt.blogspot.com.br … riage.html

Cheers,
William James Woodward, Expat-blog Experts Team

Mmmm. I have a lot too learn.

Woodward, you always have amazing advice. I've read some of your other comments and find them really good. I hope to come to Egypt soon, am on guard for Egyptian love and now am set straight on the Orfi marriage and how to send an SMS to humiliate a shifty lawyer, gold digger, politician or other. Anyway I will be studying and not into the dating scene but I know it will be in my face.

I'm so glad the Orfi marriage has no validity and have huge relief for Elaine too and hope you can focus on healing - send the SMS and move on. Hopefully others like myself will have learned from all this.

Thank you Rhona     Actually I am just about to dump him by sms - do you think that's a bit cowardly? If I phone him I know I will be on the phone for ages while he either berates me for letting him down or tries to persuade me to change my mind 
A woman's advice is always the best......
Best, Elaine

I think Woodward's advice is top notch, that a respectful but firm and final SMS merits this situation. But...knowing you a little, if possible try to be too respectful not to be misinterpreted as "the door is still open". A straightforward SMS to bring closure for you so you can move on - and hopefully no more lost puppies. A good man even Egyptian should be uncomfortable with the woman paying all the time and you should take turns.

I actually met an Egyptian man in Canada at the same time I decided I want to live in Egypt. He is in debt from his Egyptian wife and a bill of 150 000 to the lawyer. He lost everything including his business. He could have declared bankruptcy but is paying it all back. When we go out we take turns paying. I really understand there is something about Egyptian men - they are intelligent, warm and tender. It takes discernment to see if it's genuine or if it's manipulative. They sure do know how to say the right thing. But I've heard other women say he should be uncomfortable if the woman is paying all the time.

Hope you will feel better soon.
xx

Thank you Rhona    That is really sweet and kind of you. I appreciate very much your advice, and let you know how things go.
Best, Elaine

Okay, I'm glad you are in a good position outside Egypt. I meant to say "try NOT to be too respectful", and not to leave the door open to this man.

Yes do let us know how it goes and what strategy this man comes up with and how you deal with it - so us women can have some lessons from you. and men too why not.

Elaine, I have just seen this after my last comment and I'm hoping and wishing you got rid of the douchebag by now.  He is playing you like an old fiddle and the fact i read that he berates you disgusts me.  He sounds like a vile lowlife.

I reiterate, an orfi is nothing, zero... zilch.  He basically has two pieces of worthless paper in his hand.  Do the right thing and walk away and keep your hard earned money to yourself.

Hope you find your inner strength. Take care.

Hi again Elaine,

SMS cowardly??? Not in the least and it is exactly what this jerk deserves. The reason behind Ofri marriage, that is worthless, is simply because most men who enter into it are already married and don't want the other spouse (or spouses - yikes) to know about it, or you to know about them either.

Don't you think that you really deserve a whole lot better than this kind of shabby treatment? Any woman does!!!

Send him the SMS, make it crystal clear that it is FINAL, there is no "road home" since YOU are burning all the bridges behind you. Thank your lucky stars that you're in the UK where he's not going to be able to show up on your doorstep to cause you grief in your NEW FUTURE without him.

Good luck to you, be strong, be happy and know that you're doing the right thing - taking care of yourself for a change.

Cheers,
William James Woodward, Expat-blog Experts Team

Dear Elaine,

As you can see, the advice is consistent from all of us and we are all glad you are in the England out of this man's reach. I learned so much from this Expat.com and am so grateful for it and the great advice from WJW. I'm sorry you had to learn at such an expense, financially and emotionally. There are many sincere people here but I am already able to see through to at least some of the gold diggers posting to try to meet, and the few posts I made there are already quite a few. Let us guard our hearts and finances. Let us know how it's going.

Thank you dear Rhona. I have already learnt a lot too from this site. Do you get many personal posts?

My best to you, Elaine

it is wrong if someone will say that orfi is nor recognized by Egyptian authority
it is partially recognized
if you have son from him you can prove your son to him by Orfi marriage
and if you will have marriage to another Egyptian..you can go to prison because in this case you will be married to two men at same time

By "partially recognized" you mean that it works for Egyptian men, but doesn't work for women??? Pretty much like everything else.

Partially recognized
Authority and court recognize orfi in few conditions as a legal document
As a proof of a child to take his father name and his legal rights from father...so father cannot deny his son if mother has orfi paper

As evidence against woman if she will marry other man and had orfi which still valid with other man before...in Egyptian law man is allowed to have up to 4 wives..woman has the right to have only one husband

So as I said, it works for the man, but not for the woman. Just like almost everything else in Egypt.

I donot agree with you..we donot discuss women rights now

Do you think when man is forced by court to give all rights to his son from orfi marriage even right of heritage...
Is this for man against woman !!!!

I know a foreign woman with four orfis, no one tracks these things. Rip it up, it is literally a receipt for your out of pocket expenses. Prostitutes are getting a new orfi nightly to book hotels with Saudis they pick up in casinos.

tarek_msl wrote:

I donot agree with you..we donot discuss women rights now

Do you think when man is forced by court to give all rights to his son from orfi marriage even right of heritage...
Is this for man against woman !!!!

It has absolutely nothing to do with the woman and her rights, but rather the rights that a child obtains from his father. If a "real" man has a child he provides for that child and acknowledges his/her rights. If not voluntarily then by rule of LAW. Simple as that!

And you are absolutely correct, we are not talking about women's rights now..... how could we be when under the Orfi Marriage System a woman doesn't have any rights?

An orfi marriage is only recognised in Egypt. The slang term is shagging papers. The reason for the orfi marriage: The law in Egypt does not allow an Egyptian or any Arab to live with some one of the opposite sex unless you are related or married. A real marriage is a more detailed event in terms of contract etc. Unless you are going to get married again in Egypt then it is of no effect for you. and if you really want rid of it ... well pay him and have some one other than you get the papers

Love is to be felt not what to be heard. So you are responsible for what happened.

From other side, orfi paper is useless so no need to get a copy or tear it ..as you finish relation so all is over..

Good Luck

Hi Elaine, a get quite a few "introductions". I was just ignoring them. They are mostly hello, hi, how are you, I'm so-and-so. How can I help you? etc. But then I read the post called "Egyptian Men" that we should report them because they shouldn't be sending private messages and just trying to hook up. Some women experience worse things than this, and we can and should report them. Are things settling down for you?

Rhona, how lucky you are to receive alot of Hellos and Hi's besides inbox message from Egyptian men!  I guess stupid men lead to the type of comment you write but if you get the love of an Egyptian man, be sure you will again be lucky!

hii , i am half irish , i am new in egypt and i am searching for new friends

So let me guess why you are posting in this thread... Hmmmmm...

Hi i read ur message on orfi marriage When i came bk to England after a violate marriage I was told by the  Eygptian Embassy in Cairo  and in England that it was illegal  and as he refuses to divorce me,if i want to divorce him i have to pay just over £800 to a Egyptian lawyer  they said. In ur message u said that u know of a good lawyer could u give me his email if possible   Thanks The £800+ also was for a harassment  order,many people on this site have said it wont be worth doing but this lawyer said i would need it to keep him away from me

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englandishy wrote:

if you have please message me whatsapp please contact me 07736317413  ismail

What are you looking for exactly here please? It is quite difficult to understand how we can possibly help you 

Thanks

Priscilla

You are right Rhona1 .. most of Egyptian guys just looking for fun not actual help .. i total agree with you

This just useless paper

Philo.egypt wrote:

This just useless paper

 

What exactly do you mean??
The subject matter of this thread is in regard to orfi marriage so we seem to be getting off topic now. So please post information or advice relevant to the topic.
Thank you.

tarnyaellan wrote:

Hi i read ur message on orfi marriage When i came bk to England after a violate marriage I was told by the  Eygptian Embassy in Cairo  and in England that it was illegal  and as he refuses to divorce me,if i want to divorce him i have to pay just over £800 to a Egyptian lawyer  they said. In ur message u said that u know of a good lawyer could u give me his email if possible   Thanks The £800+ also was for a harassment  order,many people on this site have said it wont be worth doing but this lawyer said i would need it to keep him away from me

You don't need to pay anything to anyone in Egypt because you don't even need a divorce because in the eyes of the law you are not married. An orfi marriage is not legal and has no legal force, not even in Egypt. You are not even considered "married" in the UK. Just go and ask a local lawyer or the Registry of Marriages. The Egyptian orfi marriage "contract" is often referred to as "shagging papers" and is only entered into so an Egyptian man can have sex with a woman without getting himself into trouble with the law.

Cheers,
James          Expat-blog Experts Team

I mean there no Orfi marriage in egypt law that mean it is just useless paper if you want divorce just forget you sign it Very simple matter

its nothing legally , its not registerd marraige as a boy freind and girl freind in England , no worries about it.