Presidential election

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014 … -want.html

Jokowis sudden announcement of the transition team has not been well-received by politicians in his coalition who feel they have been left out of the process.

Speaking to The Jakarta Post in separate interviews, two politicians, who wish to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the matter, harshly criticized Jokowi for excluding their parties from discussion prior to the announcement of the transition team.

I was surprised to find out about the team from the media. I was even more surprised to learn that no members of our party were involved in it, said one of the politicians.

So now even inside Jokowi's coalition first party members are not happy......

This is getting stupid.

http://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/penduk … 3-ugm.html

Prabowo, it seems, is God.

Merdeka.com - Women who gave speeches that mention Prabowo as the incarnation of God

This is down to your point of view.
If you're an atheist, it'll mean they're idiots.
If you happen to be a Muslim, this is a major blasphemy.
I'm more than tempted to report them to the ministry of religious affairs.

Either way, it's stupidity.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/con … y-lawsuit/

Jakarta. The Constitutional Court on Wednesday ordered the team of losing presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto to clarify its lawsuit disputing the election result  citing lack of convincing evidence and spelling errors, as the former general delivered another fiery speech saying his camp had been hurt by massive cheating.

The court held its first hearing of the case on Wednesday, featuring nine justices, as well as representatives from the Prabowo camp, the General Election Commission (KPU) and the winning pair Joko Widodo-Jusuf Kalla.

A request to annul the KPUs decision requires substantial and fundamental arguments, Justice Ahmad Fadlil Sumadi told the hearing after Prabowo and his legal team were given permission to present their case. Does the Constitutional Court need to order revotes, or recounts?

Another justice, Wahiduddin Adams, said Prabowo had not provided details for his argument.

The applicant said there was a flawed vote-counting process, but he does not elaborate beyond that, Wahiduddin said. Every claim presented must be supported by a convincing and sufficient argument.

I smell a sham, designed to look as if Probowo has gone through the legal process, but really a prelude to a power grab.

Claims of attacking Probowo witness seem to be false.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/06 … of-Prabowo

TEMPO.CO, JBanyuwangi - Prabowo-Hatta campaign team in Banyuwangi, East Java, denied Prabowo Subianto's statement that there was a fire incident in a witness' house during presidential election 2014. "There was no fire," said secretary of the Great National Movement (Gerindra) Party in Banyuwangi, Sapuan.

Prabowo Subianto has earlier mentioned in his speech before the Constitutional Court (MK) that his witness' house in Banyuwangi was set on fire. Sapuan denied the allegation and questioned where Prabowo received such information.

This seems to be a pure fabrication, designed to appear as if his people were intimidated.

Cam the indelible ink be removed from voters' fingers?

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/06 … by-Prabowo

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto-Hatta Rajasa are to file new evidence before the Constitutional Court (MK) in the next trial to challenge presidential election 2014. The what-so-called as new evidence turns out to be ink-removing liquid.

"We will prove that there is a chemical compound, now remaining at large in the society, that can easily remove ink," said Prabowo-Hatta's lawyer Mahendradata. "Such liquid has been used [in the election] by the witness. We can ask the witness."

If they prove this, they will also have to prove it was used.If they can produce a witness that says he did it, that man will be admitting a serious criminal offence.

The ink has a silver nitrate solution as part of its make up. That stuff is a real killer to shift.
I used to work with it and, on the odd occasion you got it on your skin, you were stuck with it for a few days - nothing would shift it.
There were claims of an ability to remove it in the Indian and South African elections.

http://www.citypress.co.za/politics/iec … ink-lying/http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news … 579438.cms

I never tried lime juice, who knows?

Ah, they do.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/out-d … 96541.html

Ever since NCP chief Sharad Pawar asked his supporters to vote twice since the elections were being spread out over a month, one question has remained in voters' minds: is the indelible ink used by the Election Commission removable?
Turns out it may be, but only if you're willing to dabble with some chemicals or even undergo some pain.
The Times of India reports that if you dip your finger in acetone and scrub it for an hour, you could get rid of the ink mark applied by the polling booth official.

This correspondent voted at Room No. 9 of Sule High School, Dhantoli, at 9am and started applying fresh lime juice at 9.04am. By 9.09am the dark blue mark had been replaced by a reddish brown stain. Rubbing the finger against a frayed cement edge and then applying hair oil removed the stain entirely.
While most election officials have said there's nothing they can do about it, the manufacturer of the ink has said that they haven't received any complaints so far and stood by its quality saying that the ink should remain for at least a month.

It'll be interesting to see what Probowo comes up with.

"I smell a sham, designed to look as if Probowo has gone through the legal process, but really a prelude to a power grab."

I don't see it Fred.  The court has to at least go through the motions with Prabowo, but really, where is the support amongst the people for him?  A "power grab" by Prabowo will never be accepted by the people of Indonesia. 

Prabowo just needs to learn what all old soldiers know well:

Old soldiers never die they just fade away

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/con … y-lawsuit/

Jakarta. The Constitutional Court on Wednesday ordered the team of losing presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto to clarify its lawsuit disputing the election result  citing lack of convincing evidence and spelling errors

Ubudian wrote:

I don't see it Fred.  The court has to at least go through the motions with Prabowo, but really, where is the support amongst the people for him?  A "power grab" by Prabowo will never be accepted by the people of Indonesia.

I hope you're right.

mas fred wrote:

Merdeka.com - Women who gave speeches that mention Prabowo as the incarnation of God

This is down to your point of view.
If you're an atheist, it'll mean they're idiots.
If you happen to be a Muslim, this is a major blasphemy.
I'm more than tempted to report them to the ministry of religious affairs.

It's probably blasphemy in most religions.

HaileyinHongKong wrote:

mas fred wrote:

Merdeka.com - Women who gave speeches that mention Prabowo as the incarnation of God

This is down to your point of view.
If you're an atheist, it'll mean they're idiots.
If you happen to be a Muslim, this is a major blasphemy.
I'm more than tempted to report them to the ministry of religious affairs.

It's probably blasphemy in most religions.

It absolutely is in Islam.
If someone did take her up on this in Indonesia, she'd be in serious trouble, probably facing a few years in prison.
I'm amazed she was stupid enough to say it.

Good news time.
Now Prabowo's true nature is showing, people are getting pissed off with him, so he's losing a lot of support.
This matches with local people I've chatted with. The previous Prabowo supporters look very sheepish when you ask how they feel now, and never express further support for him.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/07 … urvey-Says

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - The Indonesia Survey Circle (LSI) has released its latest survey on public support towards two presidential tickets post the presidential election. LSI discovered that there has been significant changes occuring to both sides of candidate.

"When asking Prabowo supporters, most of them, tend to vote for Joko Widodo in case of re-election," said LSI researcher Ade Mulyana. "There are many factors that caused Prabowo's supporters to convert, one of which is the attitude of not accepting the presidential election [result]."

The survey covers data from August 4 to August 6, 2014, with 1,200 respondents in 33 provinces. LSI noted that the Prabowo-Hatta ticket's vote drops by 12 percent if a re-election occurs, collecting only 34.75 percent of votes. Meanwhile, the Jokowi-JK ticket scores higher with 65.25 percent of votes.

That Tempo article doesn't surprise me a bit.  I know a few locals in my village who voted for Prabowo only because they thought he would be a strong President.  If such election was held again, they would go for Jokowi.

Hopefully there are enough capable folks around Prabowo who can convince him that he would do worse in a "re-match" so maybe it's best to save what face is left, and "go quietly into the night."

http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/0 … abowo.html

The supporters want to fight until the last drop of blood.....

happyhour wrote:

http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/08/08/supporters-abandon-prabowo.html

The supporters want to fight until the last drop of blood.....

To attack Israel, it seems.

http://politik.kompasiana.com/2014/07/1 … 73311.html

Still, he knows what he's on with when it comes to American interference in Indonesia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/ar … nesia.html

Team Prabowo has raised various concerns about "foreign intervention" in the election campaign, most recently saying former US president Bill Clinton should not visit the republic while touring the region with his charity next week.

http://stopmakingsense.org/tag/prabowo-subianto/
Former US president Bill Clinton has been advised against visiting Indonesia and interfering in its democratic affairs by one of the parties contesting the nations election result. Mr Clinton is also scheduled to visit Australia as part of a tour for his charitable foundation this month, according to reports.

Hashim Djojohadikusumo, brother and spokesman for presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto, says Mr Clinton should re-think his plans to stop in Indonesia. Wed like president Clinton not to interfere in our democratic affairs, he told reporters on Saturday.

Probowo's brother seems to disagree (with himself)
http://thehill.com/policy/international … p-for-free

Hashim Djojohadikusumo: Indonesia needs US help for free elections

mas fred wrote:

happyhour wrote:

http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/08/08/supporters-abandon-prabowo.html

The supporters want to fight until the last drop of blood.....

To attack Israel, it seems.

http://politik.kompasiana.com/2014/07/1 … 73311.html

Still, he knows what he's on with when it comes to American interference in Indonesia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/ar … nesia.html

Team Prabowo has raised various concerns about "foreign intervention" in the election campaign, most recently saying former US president Bill Clinton should not visit the republic while touring the region with his charity next week.

http://stopmakingsense.org/tag/prabowo-subianto/
Former US president Bill Clinton has been advised against visiting Indonesia and interfering in its democratic affairs by one of the parties contesting the nations election result. Mr Clinton is also scheduled to visit Australia as part of a tour for his charitable foundation this month, according to reports.

Hashim Djojohadikusumo, brother and spokesman for presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto, says Mr Clinton should re-think his plans to stop in Indonesia. Wed like president Clinton not to interfere in our democratic affairs, he told reporters on Saturday.

Probowo's brother seems to disagree (with himself)
http://thehill.com/policy/international … p-for-free

Hashim Djojohadikusumo: Indonesia needs US help for free elections

Don't think it's meant in relation to "attack Israel"

The statement today in jakartapost is showing that they will not concede thus not accept courts dicision.

"Losing presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto and his die-hard supporters have vowed to fight until the last drop of blood to secure the presidency for the retired army lieutenant general".

happyhour wrote:

"Losing presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto and his die-hard supporters have vowed to fight until the last drop of blood to secure the presidency for the retired army lieutenant general".

That sounds rather bad; very much as if a physical fight is on the cards.
For a man that claims to love Indonesia and democracy, he's not exactly suggesting he'll stick to those ideals.
Any attempt at a coup, successful or not, will damage Indonesia very badly, and that's his claim to love democracy out of the window.

Any such attempt will have the added effect of chasing foreigners out of the country, along with their cash and the jobs they create.
Toss in teachers and other professionals that assist Indonesia's growth, and Indonesia will go back 20 years.
Then you come to people such as my Indonesian wife, child and unborn child.
We'd have to skip the county in a rush, leaving a lot behind us. That'll be great for those Indonesians - not.

Hate politicians always do the same thing; they destroy the county they claim to be defending.

Let's stop talking about any sort of coup.

A coup would involve going against SBY...our current President, until Jokowi takes office in October.

SBY has total and complete control of the TNI...so any coup by anyone is impossible.

Fred, relax. 

Think of all of this as a grand Wayang Kulit performance...as that is all it is.

Ubudian wrote:

Let's stop talking about any sort of coup.

A coup would involve going against SBY...our current President, until Jokowi takes office in October.

SBY has total and complete control of the TNI...so any coup by anyone is impossible.

Fred, relax. 

Think of all of this as a grand Wayang Kulit performance...as that is all it is.

In this case, I'm unsure you're right.
There are massive piles of brown stuff left behind by lots of male cows, but we also have to consider the history of the people involved, and what they're up to at the moment.

The history, or at least some of it, is well known, but what about the events of the last few weeks?
Thousands of witnesses were never going to be heard in court, it's clearly an attempt to disrupt the hearing, delay it, or simply claim it's invalid because they wouldn't listen to witnesses. Prabowo knows thousands of witnesses are impossible because of the court time allowed.

http://www.ifes.org/~/media/Files/Publi … FAQS_1.pdf

Election results are scheduled to be announced on either July 21 or 22. The results can be challenged at
the Constitutional Court. The period to file a case(s) is from July 23-25 and disputes will be heard from
August 4-21. The Constitutional Court decision results will be announced between August 22-24 and the
newly elected President for the 2014-2019 term will be inaugurated on October 20, 2014.

Any party that respects the court won't call for thousands of their supporters to turn up to "guard" it.; more so when you look at the sort of "guards" he's courting. That lot seem to consist of Islamic extremists and generally dodgy people.

I don't seriously expect him to move against SBY, but the events suggest he'll refuse to accept the court's findings and position himself for an attempt at removing Jokowi.
I'm pretty sure he wants it, but I'm unsure he can pull it off.

After Oct 20 is the time, if anything is going happen.

I believe all of us discussing with locals and foreign friends about the current situation. From my side I can say that they were happy to see that Jokowi made it, all went peaceful and things will move forward.

Meanwhile more and more people do also feel that some trouble may come up following the news on the media.

Prabowo spent a lot of cash on this and wanted something back.
I'm unsure he'll just give up.

Good move by Joko.
An ex intel man and moderate religious groups will be very useful.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014 … visor.html

Jakarta Governor and president-elect Joko Widodo has asked former National Intelligence Agency (BIN) chief Gen. A.M. Hendropriyono to join his transition team as an advisor. The transition team was recently formed to prepare for Jokowi's upcoming administration.

In addition to Hendropriyono, Joko Widodo also earlier asked former Muhammadiyah chairman Ahmad Syafii Maarif to serve as advisor.

Pro Prabowo pollsters reported to police.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/pol … pollsters/

Jakarta. A legal pressure group said on Friday that it had made a police complaint against four polling organizations on the grounds they had subverted data to show Prabowo Subianto ahead in the July 9 presidential election.

We met Jakarta Police as a follow up to our report  to clarify what weve reported, chairman of Jakarta Legal Aid and Human Rights Association (PBHI Jakarta) Poltak Agustinus Sinaga said on Friday, adding that two of PBHI members had been questioned as witnesses....
...Poltak said that he expected the police to investigate the reports of data manipulation by the Center for Policy Studies and Strategic Development (Puskaptis), National Survey Institute (LSN), Indonesia Research Center (IRC) and Indonesian Survey Network (JSI).

This is an opportunity for police to win public trust by investigating this to its root, Poltak said. People deserve to receive accurate information.

Not long after the polling stations closed on Jul. 9 election, four polling bodies released quick count results, which showed Prabowo Subianto fractionally ahead. Their quick count results were markedly different to seven pollsters that showed Joko Widodo ahead by around 6 percentage points.

I think they're having a being daft competition.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/kpu … on-threat/

Jakarta. The chairman of the General Election Commission (KPU), Husni Kamil Manik, on Monday reported a senior Great Indonesian Movement Party (Gerindra) politician to the National Police after the latter had threatened to have him abducted.

Husni filed the report to the National Polices criminal investigation division (Bareskrim) after discussing the matter with all KPU commissioners.

During a mass protest in front of Constitutional Court building, the head of Gerindras Jakarta executive board, Muhammad Taufik, threatened to abduct the KPU chairman, Husni said in a press conference at the National Police headquarters early on Monday morning, newsportal Republika.co.id reported.

Husni said Taufik also repeated the abduction threat in several media interviews, adding that Taufik stressed that the threat was serious.

National Police spokesman Sr. Comr. Agus Rianto said the police would follow up on the report.

Assuming the reports are accurate, he said it in front of thousands of people, including the press.

More of the same, but worse.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/11 … -KPU-Chief

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta  A protest staged by the Prabowo-Hatta tickets supporters in front of the Constitutional Court on Jl. Merdeka Barat is simmering, with an orator threatening to assassinate General Elections Commission (KPU) chief Husni Kamil Manik.

If necessary, we will kidnap Husni Kamil Manik, we will try him. We will kill [him], said the orator, who donned a red Garudathe symbol of the Great Indonesia Movement (Gerindra) Partyshirt through a loudspeaker on Monday, August 11, 2014.
The protesters responded to the call by shouting kill! A number of protesters asked by Tempo on the scene said they were ignorant of the identity of the orator.

Dont try to mess with the militancy of Prabowos supporters. Together with M. Taufik, we will fight against injustices. Prabowos supporters will not fall back even an inch, the orator continued.

Public threats to kidnap and murder are less than what real politics are about.
These people actually think they're fit to govern a country?

Police must take immediate action against them. They just ignore it and don't do anything??

happyhour wrote:

Police must take immediate action against them. They just ignore it and don't do anything??

I haven't seen the official number of people said to be at that protest, but I understand there were quite a few people there.
Any attempt to arrest the speaker may well have caused massive violence from a worked up crowd. It seems the latter speaker wasn't known, but the first should be arrested ASAP. The latter needs to be tracked down and arrested as well.
You simply can't be allowed to make threats against the court.

mas fred wrote:

happyhour wrote:

Police must take immediate action against them. They just ignore it and don't do anything??

I haven't seen the official number of people said to be at that protest, but I understand there were quite a few people there.
Any attempt to arrest the speaker may well have caused massive violence from a worked up crowd. It seems the latter speaker wasn't known, but the first should be arrested ASAP. The latter needs to be tracked down and arrested as well.
You simply can't be allowed to make threats against the court.

Even the number of people was not that big, police should have arrested them to show that they are not part of the game hence do not tolerate any threats.

Now there is a possibility that the number of supporters protesting will grow and the orator will keep threatening to kidnap Husni and public order will just stand by and watch the show ??

One thing is for sure, the extremist head cases see a chance for power.
That's at least one good reason for the police to be very active in stopping these fools.
It only takes a small number of idiots to ruin a country, and these people fit the bill.

My God!! Still not finish yet??? Sometimes I'm so bored heard about election news.. Seems like never ever end... Phewww...

Bella_Shu wrote:

My God!! Still not finish yet??? Sometimes I'm so bored heard about election news.. Seems like never ever end... Phewww...

This one is news that could change all our lives.
One of these contenders is courting extremists, people that'll force you to live in a manner that reflects their version of right and wrong if they get half a chance.

This election is about far more then just another politician - more about who will lose their corruption money and be able to exert force to push their extreme religious agenda,
SBY has made an excellent start in changing the way Indonesia works; I hope his efforts aren't wasted.

It could also change the address of a lot of expats.

The police seem to be taking the threats seriously.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/pol … on-threat/

Jakarta. The Jakarta Police are providing security escorts for all top functionaries of the General Election Commission (KPU) and the Constitutional Court chief, following an abduction threat made by a senior Great Indonesia Movement (Gerindra) Party politician.

The Japanese government seem to be assuming Jokowi is the next president.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014 … g-law.html

Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met with Jakarta Governor and president-elect Joko Jokowi Widodo on Tuesday to talk about a number of issues, including the Indonesian Mining Law, which requires miners to process their mineral ores locally before exporting them.

mas fred wrote:

The Japanese government seem to be assuming Jokowi is the next president.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014 … g-law.html

Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met with Jakarta Governor and president-elect Joko Jokowi Widodo on Tuesday to talk about a number of issues, including the Indonesian Mining Law, which requires miners to process their mineral ores locally before exporting them.

U absolutely right mas Fred!  The new president will change all expats life and all expats address. We already pack our bag btw, can't get the renewal contract for the project from gov.

I "caught" our second born son wearing a Prabowo campaign tee shirt yesterday, and told him that if threw it away, I might be inclined to get him one with Amrozi on it!   

I was just kidding of course, but he did think about the offer for a few seconds.   

Something is afoot.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/16 … er-Lawsuit

Another lawsuit, this time claiming losses for a group of people Prabowo claims have lost money due to the election.
He names eight people, who he claims Rp120 million each for.

Prabowo-Hattas legal team filed the lawsuit on August 14, demanding the KPU to pay Rp120 million to its eight client as a damage relief. In addition to the KPU, the presidential candidate pair Joko Widodo and Jusuf Kalla was also on the list of the lawsuit.

I wonder what he's up to with this one.
As a guess, I'd say if he can prove loss in a few cases, all with minor claims, he'll sue the KPU for all his losses.
Just a wild guess, no evidence or anything as crazy as that.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/18 … Last-Trial

According to Ali, the KPU has provided the counter-argument related to each allegation. In terms of the alleged misconduct of recapitulation, the KPU has submitted ballots taken from polling stations as evidence.

Just few more days to go and we shall know......

We'll know about the constitutional court, but not the  state administrative court.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/kpu … missioner/

After reporting the nations election body to both the Election Organizers Ethics Council (DKPP) and the National Police, Prabowo and running mate Hatta Rajasa plan to continue their efforts to unseat President-Elect Joko Widodo as Indonesias next leader.

The former Army generals camp now aims to report the KPU to the State Administrative Court (PTUN) for alleged administrative violations.

This is looking more and more as if he has no hope at all, and knows it, so he's trying every legal move he can in an attempt to keep Jokowi out of office for s long as possible.
I'm guessing, if he thinks he can stop Jokowi taking over the presidency on the due date, he'll claim a constitutional crisis and insist a joint government should be set up, with him in a major position.
Just a wild guess.

happyhour wrote:

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/18/114600501/KPU-Draws-Conclusions-after-MK-Last-Trial

According to Ali, the KPU has provided the counter-argument related to each allegation. In terms of the alleged misconduct of recapitulation, the KPU has submitted ballots taken from polling stations as evidence.

Just few more days to go and we shall know......

So many uniformed supporters are quite worrying.

http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/18 … n-Thursday

The announcement of the verdict will take place on Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 2 p.m., MK chief justice Hamdan Zoelva said in the cases hearing on Monday, August 18, 2014.

Big day for Indonesia, Indonesians and foreigners living here.