Best area to live near school...

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-13 12:45:53

Hubby has just signed a new contract so he will be moving to KL in Oct, followed by me and our 3 children in December. I have been looking at schools for our 6 and 4 year old which must be British curriculum, but am having problems finding out which areas are local to the schools. We want nice area, minimum 4 bedroom villa, with minimal drive for school runs. Also what are the chances of getting a dog friendly place?

Samantha72 · 2011-08-13 16:39:03

Hi,
British curriculum schools:-
1. Alice Smith - primary is in Jalan Bellamy, secondary is in Sri Kembangan. Very well established school, well liked by most expats and locals that can afford the fee. Best place to live for primary school is Taman Seputeh, Bangsar. If secondary school, Taman Seputeh, the Mines. Pls google the school to check on fees as ultimately it's the dollars and cents that decides on the school you will send your kids to.
2. Garden International School - primary and secondary in Mont Kiara. Been around for a long time too, again well liked by lots of expats and locals who can afford the fee. Best place to live is Mont Kiara itself, Sri Hartamas, Damansara Heights. Pls google the school to check on fees.
3. British International School - New kid on the block. 2 years old. Brand new campus. My personal choice for my own kids (going to Y6 &Y4). Yes I have heard all the arguments about the new school -vs- the old established school, and I am very happy with my choice. Best place to live is Bandar Utama(unfortunately no villas there!), Sri Hartamas, Damansara Heights.
4. International School at Desa Park City - Brand new kid on the block. Starting operations for the 1st time this September, so really it's a wait and see... Best place to live is Desa Park City.
5. ELC International School- Been there for about 25 or so years ( younger than Garden & Alice Smith). I know of some parents and kids who love it and I also know of some that completely dislike the school. I think experiences vary on year groups. Pls google for fee structure.Best place to live is Valencia, Sieramas.
6. Tenby International School - entering their 4th year this September. Started with a bang and has now got so much of issues problems that this last academic year saw 200 kids leave the school. Looks like the
issues and problems are there to stay as long as the school senior management stays the same. Pls google for fee structure. Best place to live is Setia Ecopark.
7. Nexus International School - Sister school of Garden. It's in Putrajaya which is now the administrative capital of the government but as far as most others are concerned, it's out there in the sticks!... Google the
school for fee structure. Best place to live would be Putrajaya.

Now that I have listed most of the schools out, the next area to consider is the pros and cons of each school. If you are paying the fee by yourself then you might find Alice Smith, Garden, International School at Desa Park City fee steep as you will have to pay a "non refundable fee" of around RM20,000 per child ( pls check website for latest amounts) . This of course doesn't matter if the schooling fee is picked up by your hubby's company. British School has a family deposit system, in terms of the school fee it is higher than Alice Smith, Garden and Desa Park City ( I think! ) but all those schools have a 1 term fee deposit to pay
and the British School doesn't, so best you do the math for yourself and see which suits the budget you had in mind. ELC is popular with the self paying parents. Tenby would be the other alternative to those who don't like what they have heard or seen in ELC, although speaking from personal experience things are no
better in Tenby, which everyone says has the same issues and problems as in ELC. Lots of ELC parents who left ELC and moved to Tenby 3 years ago have all left for other more "established" schools now, so that tells you something. Pls don't take the word of the Tenby Principal about the teacher's qualification. I
know for a fact the Principal had told me ( my kids's past school, hence my discussions with Principal) that the teachers don't need a teaching qualification to teach in the school, an MBA will do!... So pls check on everything, don't take anyone's word for it, not even mine!

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-13 23:09:34

What a wonderful reply so much info, thank you so much i am ever so grateful to you for taking the time to do this. It's hard when so far away to find out all the info you really need. I now have a good starting point from which to do a lot more research. You're a star!

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-14 12:44:16

Ok so next question, he will be working in the G tower (???!) does anyone know which of the areas are close to there without being slap bang in the centre of town. Like to be close enough to town that we can venture in for dinner on a night out but for day to day living want to be a bit further out, away from traffic etc if that's possible.

Samantha72 · 2011-08-14 16:20:35

Hi,
G tower you said? Every time a building get bought and it has new owners they rename the building so I had to look the building up. If it is the building that I think it is, he is in the KLCC area vicinity. None of these schools are anywhere near there but having said that it then depends on whether you would consider the other side of town schools, namely schools in the Ampang area. You have Fairview International School, Sayfol International and Mutiara international School that teach the British curriculum. From my conversations with parents who have kids in these schools they intend to employ a lot of Indians, some qualified teachers, most intend to be between jobs and from mainland India as they are much cheaper to hire than hiring a British Expat teacher.

Schools like Alice Smith, Garden International, British International and Nexus are very particular on the qualifications of the teachers they hire hence have a large (<60% Garden) or an almost 100% ( the others listed above) full expat teaching staff. This of course transfers to the much higher fee that the schools charge.

My 2 cents worth is this... Would you want a teacher who hasn't lived in the country and studied in the curriculum teaching your child? I know your children are very young but the right school with the right teaching staff makes such a difference in years to come. If your answer to that is a no then Fairview, Mutiara and Sayfol aren't for you. The fee in these schools are "decent" and affordable" for most of the middle class locals who don't want the national schools and curriculum and want an alternative. If you visit
these schools you will find a large Asian (Korean and Malaysians) population which should ring alarm bells.

Malaysians love to drive, we drive everywhere and I am guilty of it too, sometimes it's just way too hot and humid to walk! You would find that most expat families (wifes and kids) are comfortable in the Hartamas, Bangsar, Damansara Heights or the Ampang area and the men travel to work. The attraction of Bangsar,
Hartamas ,Damansara Heights area is that it is in a triangle with supermarkets, neighborhood malls and restaurants situated a stone throw away. Most expat families are comfortable here and the Ibu House is also close by. Most of my UK and Aussie friends are living in these areas and are very happy. Ampang would be the other place but I cannot tell you much about that area as I rarely go to the other side of the city. Sorry about that. Also know that the families who have kids going to the International School of KL (American curriculum) intend to concentrate around Ampang.

Choosing a school and a place to live isn't easy when you are physically in the country, I cannot imagine how hard it must be when you are so far away and need to make these decisions. Your husband's company should be of assistance as they can work with estate agents from the shortlisted areas to send your specific photos of the homes that you might be interested in for you to shortlist. There are a number of estate agents who specialise in properties which are favoured by expats, so your husband's company should be working with them to give you a better idea on areas to live in.

Hope all the info given has been helpful....

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EnglishJacki · 2011-08-15 12:07:35

Thanks again for another long and informative reply, it has been very helpful smile

JC138 · 2011-08-20 22:34:41

Hi dear,

I married the expat. wink Hope I can help.

GTower is located at the intersection of Jalan Tun Razak and Jalan Ampang, GTower is a landmark in the Kuala Lumpur City Centre (KLCC).

GTower Sdn Bhd
199 Jalan Tun Razak, 50400 Kuala Lumpur.

By Road
If you are in a taxi or chauffeured car, drive onto Jalan Tun Razak heading towards the Jalan Ampang and Jalan Tun Razak intersection. GTower is situated next to the Tabung Haji building.

By LRT
Take the LRT and make your exit at the Ampang Park stop. As you emerge from the station, GTower is on your right.

By Foot from KLCC
Stroll through KLCC park heading towards the Tabung Haji building and you will find GTower beside it. Only 1km from KLCC, it takes approximately 15 minutes on foot.

Source from: gtower.com.my/menu.aspx?m=6

We are staying in Mont Kiara. To go to GTower, the best way is driving via Jalan Kuching / Jalan Duta or using DUKE Expressway. If is not peak hour, normally takes about 15-20mins. Peak hour can be 1 hour with the traffic jam.

Ideally, you need to discuss with your husband about his expat package is it cover: Rental (if yes, budget?), maid, school, relocation fees etc.

I do hiring a non-stay in Filipino maid assisting me on domestic chaos or babysitting. some expat have a stay in maid with 2 years contract via agency.

I would suggested to have a GPS for your adventure in Kuala Lumpur would be an ideal. We really on the machine very much. smile

If you are looking for a villa, in Mont Kiara do have a Villa bungalow, info:

Name: Villa Mont Kiara
Address: Jalan Kiara, Taman Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Type: 3-storey Bungalow, Link Bungalow
Tenure: Freehold (strata titled)
No. of Units: 45 units

Layouts
Bungalow:
Land area: 5,200 sf onwards
Built-up area: 4,800 sf onwards

Link Bungalow:(RENTAL: RM16K / month)
Land area: 3,700 sf onwards
Built-up area: 3,200 sf onwards

Facilities:
* 24-hour security
* Gated and guarded community
* Private swimming pool
* Lush landscape

Rental Price: RM 16,000
Rental Price psf :RM 4.45
Bedrooms: 4+1
Bathrooms:4
Maintenance Fee: RM 1,229 (beared by owner NOT tenant)

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AMARIN KIARA 2 STY SEMI-D with POOL
L/A: 6000 sf
B/U: 4470 sf
RENTAL: RM15K fully furnished.

Amarin Kiara is a low density development of only 31 units of semi-detached homes. All homes come with individual, freehold title, individual pools, fully equipped bathrooms, fitted kitchens, marble and teak flooring, and a host of other quality items. The development also boost of a clubhouse with a games room, gym and also meeting area. Access is via a private road and manned by 24 hour security.

These two houses nearby British Curriculum school: GARDEN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL.

Or you may consider BRITISH INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL KUALA LUMPUR, still can stay in MONT KIARA, driving via PENCHALA LINK paying RM2.00 toll.

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-21 22:04:26

Goodness me, lots to think about! Thank you so much for another great informative reply. smile

j0amelie · 2011-08-22 03:09:11

Hi Jacki,
I've just sent you a PM regarding schools, let me know if you haven't got it.
Best wishes,
Jo

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-22 20:58:46

Thanks Jo and yep, got it, have replied now...

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-22 21:00:57

Am worried now about our housing allowance, 10k, is this low? It seems this will rent us only half of some of the villas you have mentioned, JC 138!!!!

Expatypus · 2011-08-22 22:54:48

10K is plenty
You'll find luxurious homes and condos with this kind of allowance.

Property agents in Malaysia usually see expats (or their companies) as walking bank accounts and tend to show them very high end units even if they specifically asked for decent housing. They also tend to show you properties that are 20% above your price range. Finally, you can easily negotiate down the prices of high end properties (the rental market is not doing so well) and you should know that the agent's commission is paid by the owner / seller.

Good hunting !

devilsadvocate · 2011-08-23 15:01:56

Expatypus wrote:
10K is plenty
You'll find luxurious homes and condos with this kind of allowance.

Property agents in Malaysia usually see expats (or their companies) as walking bank accounts and tend to show them very high end units even if they specifically asked for decent housing. They also tend to show you properties that are 20% above your price range. Finally, you can easily negotiate down the prices of high end properties (the rental market is not doing so well) and you should know that the agent's commission is paid by the owner / seller.

Good hunting !

Very well said. Expats are generally viewed as walking ATM machines.

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-23 18:47:49

Good to know, thanks

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-24 10:48:49

Another question please... When looking at the rental ads, the number os bedrooms is like 3+1 or suchlike, does that mean it's a 4 bed or something different? Why not just put 4 bed?! Don't get it! And they all seem to be fully furnished which I really wouldn't want.

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devilsadvocate · 2011-08-24 10:53:10

EnglishJacki wrote:
Another question please... When looking at the rental ads, the number os bedrooms is like 3+1 or suchlike, does that mean it's a 4 bed or something different? Why not just put 4 bed?! Don't get it!

+1 usually refers to a very small room - also known as 'the maids room'.

j0amelie · 2011-08-24 12:59:08

Yes the + 1 is a maids room...usually very small, often without a window and usually near the kitchen....not fit for human inhabitation in my opinion but can make a good storage area!
Fully furnished isn't always fully furnished as you might expect! Unfurnished Can mean without air con, kitchen units...lights even. Part furnished you would at least expect those things. Generally there is little difference price wise, and if you like a unit that is furnished you but you don't require furniture they will usually remove the things you don't want.

EnglishJacki · 2011-08-24 21:15:42

So it all makes sense now, thanks. Can't imagine staying anywhere without air con!!!! Yuk! Or kitchen units, or lights for that matter! Haha!

JC138 · 2011-08-27 21:47:40

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JC138 · 2011-08-27 22:08:31

Expatypus wrote:
10K is plenty
You'll find luxurious homes and condos with this kind of allowance.

Property agents in Malaysia usually see expats (or their companies) as walking bank accounts and tend to show them very high end units even if they specifically asked for decent housing. They also tend to show you properties that are 20% above your price range. Finally, you can easily negotiate down the prices of high end properties (the rental market is not doing so well) and you should know that the agent's commission is paid by the owner / seller.

Good hunting !

My dear, I don't fully agreed with the comment that you make there. I have the perception from some others landlords too when they see me and my husband (expat) viewing the property, but that doesn't mean that we are ATM machine and I will not like to be treated as ATM machines too, that's why I do bargain and put my foot down strongly not overpaid what they asked, of course before we do that, we need to do some survey. tongue

Currently my company been helping the international school teachers finding their accommodation, the international school HR officer told us their rental allowance is RM3K. We also help them to find some where which we think will be closer to their work and nearby to the amenities, we also showing them the units from RM2K to RM3K, then the teachers also asked us is it possible to show them some of the units that they found from the iproperty which is RM4K - RM5K and location is a little bit far from the school HR officer suggested, but the teachers said they would like to find some where which is make them feels like home. so, we also showing them the units and let them know the area will be a little bit far to them, they might need to leave the house early to avoid the traffic.

RENTAL MARKET is not doing well, and some of the owners rather sub-sale the unit, owners also selected which type of tenants they wanted to rent, doesn't mean that you have the cash to pay the rent, the landlords will renting out their properties. Some owners actually specified to the Real Estate Company which nationalities they don't want to rent, unless is company paying the rent, the landlords also will asking the agent, the tenant they are going to arrange for a viewing, which company they working for, what is the race (yes, you might feeling that is a bit race discrimination).

Owners who owned the RM1million and above property, most of them have the cash power to keep the unit too, some of them might owned few units within the area, tenant might viewing 10 units within the area, at least 3 units are belong to the same owner, these owner might be the Foreigner, like my ex-landlords who are from China, Hong Kong and Singapore.

The agent's fees are paid by the landlords to the Real Estate Company NOT to the agent who showing the house, then the company will pay the agent wages/commission.

JC138 · 2011-08-27 22:24:00

EnglishJacki wrote:
Another question please... When looking at the rental ads, the number os bedrooms is like 3+1 or suchlike, does that mean it's a 4 bed or something different? Why not just put 4 bed?! Don't get it! And they all seem to be fully furnished which I really wouldn't want.

Hi,

when they said 3rooms in the ad, sometimes, might be only 2+1 sad

if you are looking for a villa, you need to check the Build Up area ? sq.ft and Land area is how many sq.ft.

Condominium (high rise apartment with facilities) - not allowed pets.

if you have pets, have to look for the landed property, with gated and guarded.

if the units are like is fully furnished, you can request to removed the furniture, then asked for the best discount rent you can get from the owner.

after you confirmed a unit you like to stay. you will be required to put deposit.

2 months security deposit (MONTHLY RENTAL x 2)
1 month rental in advance
1 month or 1/2 month utilities deposit (depends on the landlord required)

Stamp duty and Admin fees for tenancy agreement - paid by tenant.

once you sorted this part. after you move in to the house you like. you need to apply:
1) Telephone & Internet (min 1 week, if you are lucky, otherwise will take longer than 2 weeks)

2) Cable TV (Astro - check with the landlord/ agent when you viewing the house, is it any Astro connection)

3) Gas (if is central gas, owner need to go to do the re-connection, if is landed, you may need to ask the agent for a Gas delivery van driver contact)

When you arrive Kuala Lumpur, you may need to get a local mobile sim card (PAY AS YOU GO - prepaid).

You will having more fun during this application too...especially during the festival period, will make you really frustration if thing not proceed as plan. i.e.TM guy (telephone/internet) may not turn up as they promised, or they may said will come between 9am-5pm, which mean you are stuck in the house just in case they come. mad

EnglishJacki · 2011-09-04 17:07:17

Sorry for not replying sooner, I did not receive an email notification that I'd had some new responses, so thank you for more info. It's so nice to know that people are willing to help with all my questions, it really puts my mind at rest. Cheers guys smile

Warren Chim · 2011-09-08 06:57:49

Hi EnglishJacki,

Welcome to this forum. I myself am new here.

Yes, a lot to think about when relocating. I remember the experience I had when I first came here. Very very very tedious. Accommodation, taxes, schools, bills, areas, safety, etc. But I'm thankful that I have friends ard me to help me out.

I see that Samantha & JC have provided detailed information for you and am sure you will find them helpful. Jz to pick up on the point on property agents. Well, in any industry, there are bound to have good and bad apples.

For eg: I encountered a bad agent who did not have good ethics. Sufficient to say that I was not given the correct information. But I also met an agent who was very helpful in bringing me ard to check out on the different properties with different prices.

Additionally, although I also have heard of bad lawyers, my friend introduced me a lawyer who is good in his work - he explained the process to me in words I can understand and he ensured that I got the property as fast as I can. So, it very much depends on who you encounter.

I work for an international company in Bangsar and am loving living in Malaysia. Hope you like it too!!!!!!! My email is warrenchim[at]yahoo.com if you want to contact me for meet up.

Warren

jwd83 · 2012-04-16 08:29:30

Hi EnglishJacki,
Your thread came up when I googled dogs in villas. I see that you were looking for a place that allowed dogs. We thought we were on the right track when we started looking at villas, however, I just read a blog where a family had to give up their dog as it was against the code even in the villas. I can't find answers to which villas allow dogs. We are specifically looking in the Mont kiara area.

I was just curious how your move went and if you were able to find a suitable place to live w/a dog. Our budget is like yours and I find it very frustrating the places I would love to live are way over that price. Well, i know this post is old, but I thought I'd post in hopes that you or someone else will see and reply.

Hope your move went well! smile

Tighe · 2012-04-28 00:36:18

Hello, I am a Malaysian returning after 20 years and with 2 children of 9 and 6. I am looking for a decent school for the boys but cost is an issue. I have looked at ELC which seems to be reasonable but with mixed reviews. We will be based in Ampang and wonder for that is to ELC and whether there is a school bus facility?. Tenby is in Shah Alam, how far is that from Ampang?. I am also considering Sr Utama, does anybody have an opinion on this school?. Any advice wouldbe helpful?.

Thanks JT

JC138 · 2012-04-28 12:21:49

Tighe wrote:
Hello, I am a Malaysian returning after 20 years and with 2 children of 9 and 6. I am looking for a decent school for the boys but cost is an issue. I have looked at ELC which seems to be reasonable but with mixed reviews. We will be based in Ampang and wonder for that is to ELC and whether there is a school bus facility?. Tenby is in Shah Alam, how far is that from Ampang?. I am also considering Sr Utama, does anybody have an opinion on this school?. Any advice wouldbe helpful?.

Thanks JT

Hi JT,

ELC is located in Sierramas - Sungai Buloh, way out of Ampang. If you are planning to staying in Ampang, perhaps you can consider Sayfol - british system, which is along the Jln Ampang only.

You may email to ELC admin for the school bus facility.

You may considering houses in Sierramas / Valencia both of these area are guarded and gated.

Where is Sri Utama??

Good luck.

Zobo · 2012-06-01 14:19:22

Dear everyone,
Desa Park international school been open almost a year now, any common on that?? I am thinking to living in there too.
Can anyone suggest a good property company?

many thanks
Zobo

fourabroad · 2012-06-06 11:22:35

Hello English jacki,

I have just read your post and wondering if you are now well established in KL, particulary with school and housing? I too, have 2 children, aged 6 & 7 and will likely be moving to KL in Septeber/October. There are many schools to choose from but there are many negative reviews about a few of them. I am finding it difficult to know which ones to apply to (and yes I know most of them have waiting lists which will determine alot) however, I want to submit applications asap and because they all require non-refundable application fees I don't want to waste my effot or money on schools that are not up to standard. Any information regarding your experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

kpearson · 2012-08-23 07:20:57

WE are looking to relocate to scottland. My husband is in the process of getting his british passport and then we will look into getting our kids one as well and hopefully me smile
I was wondering what activities or clubs there are for kids. Our kids play soccer(canada), hockey and swim...are these offered in scottland?? What kind of house am I looking for if we have a dog?

GinaK · 2013-03-13 21:57:17

Hello everyone,
I need some info, hope you can help me out.

English Jacki,
We're planning on moving to Kuala Lumpur as per Sept 2013. My kids are now 7 and 4 years old. May I know which school you've chosen and why?

To all:
Does anyone else have experience with language barrier? My kids speak Dutch. Can anyone tell me more about the smog in KL?

Is this info (2011-12) still up-to-date? Thanks in advance.

Gina K.

Sunrise Seekers · 2013-04-15 15:56:02

Hi Gina

Malaysians here especially in Kuala Lumpur speaks English (minority esp hawkers and small traders do not speak fluent English) but not Dutch.

Smog happens when there is forest fire in neighbor country, ie Indonesia.

GinaK · 2013-04-16 22:02:52

Sunrise Seekers,
Many thanks. We've been to KL for a week and visited ISP. Park city is a very nice area. And the school is very nice, teachers very friendly and so much to offer after school time: drama, music, sports, etc. They don't have that here in Belgium. And the classes in Mandarin and Malay is also good. Don't know whether other schools offer this as well, but I think this helps the integration.

For the language issue: they only allow kids who can speak, write and understand English. So we have to find English courses for our kids in order to get them ready. That's why I was looking for Dutch or Belgian immigrants to learn from their experience.

Regarding housing: we still don't know which area. We spoke to hotel local employees and they suggested Mount Kiara, Bandung, Bangsar.

Thank you for your reply!
Regards,
Gina

Sunrise Seekers · 2013-04-17 02:32:50

iproperty.com.myt very sure of the schools co-curriculum but I know of schools that offers drama, music, Mandarin and Malay classes here. It is common for private schools.

My house at Damansara Heights for rent (also suitable for expats) is near Cempaka International School. Or alternatively at Bangsar, there is Julia Gabriel Kindergarten. While at Mont Kiara, there is several. You can google for their website for details.

Oh yes, you can check resources at iproperty.com.my and other real estate sites.

As for English language teacher by Dutch or Belgian, if you post ad I am sure there are people responding it. I can check with any Dutch or Belgians living in KL with teaching experience. You can check with your Embassy as well.

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